Cues, clefs, octave signs

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Magnus Johansson wrote: 02 Jul 2026, 16:08 … … …What is that sign over the first bar of the second stave?
Watch the conductor (who one hopes is looking at the trombones to give them a very strong and clear downbeat).
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David Ward wrote: 02 Jul 2026, 16:30
Magnus Johansson wrote: 02 Jul 2026, 16:08 … … …What is that sign over the first bar of the second stave?
Watch the conductor (who one hopes is looking at the trombones to give them a very strong and clear downbeat).
OK, a pair of glasses turned at the conductor. Great!
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Can you imagine after ca 200 measures counting, coming one measure early with bass trombone in ff?
 
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OCTO wrote: 02 Jul 2026, 21:52 Can you imagine after ca 200 measures counting, coming one measure early with bass trombone in ff?
 

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Yes, that would be something, wouldn't it?
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Magnus Johansson wrote: 03 Jul 2026, 06:03
OCTO wrote: 02 Jul 2026, 21:52 Can you imagine after ca 200 measures counting, coming one measure early with bass trombone in ff?
 

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Imagine playing the cymbals in Dvořáks 9th symphony. And then missing your cue by half a measure. Happened to me once, won’t ever forget.
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MalteM wrote: 03 Jul 2026, 12:50 Imagine playing the cymbals in Dvořáks 9th symphony. And then missing your cue by half a measure. Happened to me once, won’t ever forget.
You were quite lucky, the dynamics is mf. :)

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MalteM wrote: 03 Jul 2026, 12:50 Imagine playing the cymbals in Dvořáks 9th symphony. And then missing your cue by half a measure. Happened to me once, won’t ever forget.
Was that because of the whole bar rest in the bar where you had the half note?
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Magnus Johansson wrote: 03 Jul 2026, 16:05
MalteM wrote: 03 Jul 2026, 12:50 Imagine playing the cymbals in Dvořáks 9th symphony. And then missing your cue by half a measure. Happened to me once, won’t ever forget.
Was that because of the whole bar rest in the bar where you had the half note?
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Later French style cuing system without rests and additional labeling for each entrance of the playing part, perhaps because this was a new approach.
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