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Re: NUME a New Understanding of Musical Expression

Posted: 05 Aug 2025, 17:13
by Fred G. Unn
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Re: NUME a New Understanding of Musical Expression

Posted: 05 Aug 2025, 17:15
by MichelRE
mrmike25 wrote: 05 Aug 2025, 16:43 Also notice that there are six beats per measure which equates to twelve half-beats (eighth notes). As said before, NUME considers a beat as laymen consider foot taps.
So NUME is wrong in saying that there are 6 beats, as there are 4, subdivided into groups of 3.
A "layman" would not tap on 1&, &2, &&, etc...
A lay person would understand that this music is in 4 beats per bar: 1&&, 2&&, 3&&, 4&&.
how am I so sure of this?
Because most of my country's folk music is in compound time signatures and non-musicians understand this instinctively.
Foot stomping, which is part and parcel of our culture during folklore, follows the same logic as the standard notation does: bars of 4 beats.

Why doesn't NUME recognize this?

Re: NUME a New Understanding of Musical Expression

Posted: 05 Aug 2025, 17:22
by Fred G. Unn
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Re: NUME a New Understanding of Musical Expression

Posted: 05 Aug 2025, 19:23
by RMK
How would you notate a hemiola?

Re: NUME a New Understanding of Musical Expression

Posted: 05 Aug 2025, 19:38
by mrmike25
To Fred's last post showing the triplet markers above the staff:
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Again, the note at the top of the image designates the bottom line as the D note.

Re: NUME a New Understanding of Musical Expression

Posted: 05 Aug 2025, 19:52
by mrmike25
To Fred's last post showing the triplet markers above the staff:
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Again, the message at the top of the image designates the bottom line as the note D. And it is no problem seeing the groups of three notes/rests. Also, the feel of foot tapping in fours is also obvious now that the triplet markers are indicated.

And RMK, notating a hemiola would be simply notating with beats and holds or half beats and holds. No problem.

Thanks again for the responses.

Re: NUME a New Understanding of Musical Expression

Posted: 05 Aug 2025, 20:01
by RMK
mrmike25 wrote: 05 Aug 2025, 19:52
And RMK, notating a hemiola would be simply notating with beats and holds or half beats and holds. No problem.
I'm afraid you do not understand that a hemiola represents a tension between the prevailing tempo and the notated rhythm. (See R. Schumann Symphony No.3 or Tchaikovsky's Dance of the Snowflakes from the Nutcracker ballet).

How is one to determine the underlying rhythm?

Re: NUME a New Understanding of Musical Expression

Posted: 05 Aug 2025, 20:33
by Fred G. Unn
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Re: NUME a New Understanding of Musical Expression

Posted: 05 Aug 2025, 23:38
by mrmike25
The "T" designates Treble sounds, not a certain clef, moreover for the right hand notes, usually. The "B" likewise designates Bass sounds and those are usually played with the left hand. No student needs to memorize 12 different staff definitions. Each time a bottom line is designated, it is always for a particular piece. I don't understand why reading notes by intervals is so hard to grasp. The dots on the staves tell you (for piano, in this example) where to press the piano keys so that you can convert notation into physical manipulation for a certain piece of music. Tablature for guitar tells the student which frets to press. NUME tells the student, again in this example, which keys to press. Once the first note is determined, the intervals are there for the rest of the piece.

Thanks for your reply.

Re: NUME a New Understanding of Musical Expression

Posted: 06 Aug 2025, 00:05
by Fred G. Unn
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