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Re: Enharmonic symbol
Posted: 19 Jan 2024, 14:10
by John Ruggero
Re: Enharmonic symbol
Posted: 20 Jan 2024, 18:31
by benwiggy
I've decided to add a cautionary accidental to the first note, which should be sufficient help, without muddying the waters too much.

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Re: Enharmonic symbol
Posted: 21 Jan 2024, 20:51
by David Ward
benwiggy wrote: ↑20 Jan 2024, 18:31
I've decided to add a cautionary accidental to the first note, which should be sufficient help, without muddying the waters too much.
I added a cautionary reminder of the E flat in the key signature after an F sharp (Soprano voice bar 191 - crotchet = 54). Most of the preceding eight minutes or so of this piece is without key signature (as is more usual for me), so I don't think this was superfluous or over-fussy (does anybody disagree?). Either way, when it was performed in November, it excited no comment from the three performers (who were outstanding - the T was a Bar because of the rest of the programme, but that worked excellently).
Re: Enharmonic symbol
Posted: 22 Jan 2024, 18:57
by John Ruggero
I think that the cautionary accidental was completely appropriate because of the previous E naturals in the piano part.
Re: Enharmonic symbol
Posted: 22 Jan 2024, 19:30
by Anders Hedelin
benwiggy wrote: ↑20 Jan 2024, 18:31
I've decided to add a cautionary accidental to the first note, which should be sufficient help, without muddying the waters too much.
The placement of the cautionary accidental
after the "problematic" note (in David's example F#) seems more logical than
before it. The second alternative is a little like stating the obvious: Yes, we
are in Db! (Five flats, you know.)
Re: Enharmonic symbol
Posted: 23 Jan 2024, 03:40
by John Ruggero
I also thought that the "preemptive" parentheses were a little strange, Anders. But whatever works...
There is yet another possibility that I hesitated to mention because of the apparent complexity of the enharmonics in the work in question and the fear that the tie might be misinterpreted as a slur. But I have seen this (to me) elegant solution in the classical canon:

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Re: Enharmonic symbol
Posted: 23 Jan 2024, 21:23
by Anders Hedelin
Having browsed through the thread, I find that one solution is missing. The simplest, and least harmful IMO.

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The equal sign has been suggested already, and really says it all. The parenthesis is important, I think, to show that it's just a reminder, not a new information.
Re: Enharmonic symbol
Posted: 23 Jan 2024, 23:21
by OCTO
JJP wrote: ↑19 Jan 2024, 05:49
John Ruggero wrote: ↑18 Jan 2024, 13:15
From the music engravers' Hippocratic oath: "First, do no harm."
I thought it was “do no enharm.”
King! I nearly fell off my chair laughing...
Re: Enharmonic symbol
Posted: 28 Mar 2024, 11:14
by benwiggy
Anders Hedelin wrote: ↑23 Jan 2024, 21:23
The equal sign has been suggested already, and really says it all. The parenthesis is important, I think, to show that it's just a reminder, not a new information.
Interestingly, I've just found an equals sign in parentheses (well, several of them!) in an OUP score.

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