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Re: Cues, clefs, octave signs
Posted: 02 Jul 2026, 16:30
by David Ward
Magnus Johansson wrote: 02 Jul 2026, 16:08
… … …What is that sign over the first bar of the second stave?
Watch the conductor (who one hopes is looking at the trombones to give them a very strong and clear downbeat).
Re: Cues, clefs, octave signs
Posted: 02 Jul 2026, 16:32
by Magnus Johansson
David Ward wrote: 02 Jul 2026, 16:30
Magnus Johansson wrote: 02 Jul 2026, 16:08
… … …What is that sign over the first bar of the second stave?
Watch the conductor (who one hopes is looking at the trombones to give them a very strong and clear downbeat).
OK, a pair of glasses turned at the conductor. Great!
Re: Cues, clefs, octave signs
Posted: 02 Jul 2026, 21:52
by OCTO
Can you imagine after ca 200 measures counting, coming one measure early with bass trombone in
ff?

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Re: Cues, clefs, octave signs
Posted: 03 Jul 2026, 06:03
by Magnus Johansson
OCTO wrote: 02 Jul 2026, 21:52
Can you imagine after ca 200 measures counting, coming one measure early with bass trombone in
ff?
Screenshot 2026-07-02 at 23.50.30.png
Yes, that would be something, wouldn't it?
Re: Cues, clefs, octave signs
Posted: 03 Jul 2026, 08:54
by OCTO
Magnus Johansson wrote: 03 Jul 2026, 06:03
OCTO wrote: 02 Jul 2026, 21:52
Can you imagine after ca 200 measures counting, coming one measure early with bass trombone in
ff?
Screenshot 2026-07-02 at 23.50.30.png
Yes, that would be something, wouldn't it?
I always wondered why a timpanist earns more than a tutti violinist, who often plays far more notes in a concert. But when you think about the level of responsibility involved, it is actually very very scary!
Re: Cues, clefs, octave signs
Posted: 03 Jul 2026, 12:50
by MalteM
Imagine playing the cymbals in Dvořáks 9th symphony. And then missing your cue by half a measure. Happened to me once, won’t ever forget.
Re: Cues, clefs, octave signs
Posted: 03 Jul 2026, 15:27
by OCTO
MalteM wrote: 03 Jul 2026, 12:50
Imagine playing the cymbals in Dvořáks 9th symphony. And then missing your cue by half a measure. Happened to me once, won’t ever forget.
You were quite lucky, the dynamics is
mf.
This:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MAj2bMpncE
Re: Cues, clefs, octave signs
Posted: 03 Jul 2026, 16:05
by Magnus Johansson
MalteM wrote: 03 Jul 2026, 12:50
Imagine playing the cymbals in Dvořáks 9th symphony. And then missing your cue by half a measure. Happened to me once, won’t ever forget.
Was that because of the whole bar rest in the bar where you had the half note?
Re: Cues, clefs, octave signs
Posted: 03 Jul 2026, 19:04
by OCTO
Magnus Johansson wrote: 03 Jul 2026, 16:05
MalteM wrote: 03 Jul 2026, 12:50
Imagine playing the cymbals in Dvořáks 9th symphony. And then missing your cue by half a measure. Happened to me once, won’t ever forget.
Was that because of the whole bar rest in the bar where you had the half note?
Applause!
Re: Cues, clefs, octave signs
Posted: 04 Jul 2026, 15:03
by John Ruggero
Later French style cuing system without rests and additional labeling for each entrance of the playing part, perhaps because this was a new approach.

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Arnstein always provided a cue in the first measure of a piece for all the instruments that were not playing.