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Re: The treble clef as handwritten by great composers
Posted: 14 Nov 2017, 17:00
by John Ruggero
Quite, right, OCTO. But I think that Ere might be pointing out the additional paradox that the beauty of the handwriting and quality of the notational practice are also not aligned.
Re: The treble clef as handwritten by great composers
Posted: 14 Nov 2017, 19:09
by John Ruggero
Mussorgsky
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Alkan
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Albeniz
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Berg Early, Middle and Late
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Re: The treble clef as handwritten by great composers
Posted: 14 Nov 2017, 20:12
by erelievonen
John Ruggero wrote: ↑14 Nov 2017, 17:00But I think that Ere might be pointing out the additional paradox that the beauty of the handwriting and quality of the notational practice are also not aligned.
That was exactly my (somewhat disguised) point - it being the logical conclusion if one combines John's former motto (which I alluded to) with his remark in this thread:
John Ruggero wrote: ↑12 Nov 2017, 15:14[...] one also notices that there is no correlation between the beauty of the handwriting and the quality of the music.
Re: The treble clef as handwritten by great composers
Posted: 15 Nov 2017, 14:56
by Schonbergian
Berg's early is beautiful.
Re: The treble clef as handwritten by great composers
Posted: 16 Nov 2017, 15:47
by John Ruggero
Schonbergian wrote: ↑15 Nov 2017, 14:56
Berg's early is beautiful.
Sometimes young composers try to imitate engraving at first to add credibility, since their music hasn't been published yet. After they are published, they settle into something more comfortable, and finally, with an established reputation, they just don't care!
Re: The treble clef as handwritten by great composers
Posted: 16 Dec 2017, 11:30
by odod
OCTO wrote:Arensky, wow!
I am wondering how it would look to create a font based on one of these, as Arensky, and use it in Finale/Sibelius...
I will try to make this
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Re: The treble clef as handwritten by great composers
Posted: 16 Dec 2017, 15:47
by John Ruggero
odod wrote: ↑16 Dec 2017, 11:30
I will try to make this
Interesting. Has anyone ever tried to make a font that imitated a single composer's handwriting? This could be a first.
odod, in case you haven't found it yet, I took the example from
http://ks.petruccimusiclibrary.org/file ... p.8_ms.pdf He had the most beautiful musical handwriting I've seen. Better even than Chopin and Mendelssohn.
A big surprise for me was Mussorgsky, the wild man who had the neat, clear and pleasing manuscript of a scribe. Who would have suspected? But he was always Modest. (Sorry.)
Re: The treble clef as handwritten by great composers
Posted: 16 Dec 2017, 15:53
by odod
Re: The treble clef as handwritten by great composers
Posted: 16 Dec 2017, 15:56
by odod
John Ruggero wrote: ↑16 Dec 2017, 15:47
odod wrote: ↑16 Dec 2017, 11:30
I will try to make this
Interesting. Has anyone ever tried to make a font that imitated a single composer's handwriting? This could be a first.
odod, in case you haven't found it yet, I took the example from
http://ks.petruccimusiclibrary.org/file ... p.8_ms.pdf He had the most beautiful musical handwriting I've seen. Better even than Chopin and Mendelssohn.
A big surprise for me was Mussorgsky, the wild man who had the neat, clear and pleasing manuscript of a scribe. Who would have suspected? But he was always Modest. (Sorry.)
ahh okay i will look at the document first
Re: The treble clef as handwritten by great composers
Posted: 16 Dec 2017, 17:00
by John Ruggero
Sorry, odod. The clef looks fine. I thought OCTO was suggesting creating a whole font based on Arensky's handwriting, not just the treble clef.
