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Opposing Seconds with dots

Posted: 28 Apr 2024, 13:01
by benwiggy
I much prefer this:
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instead of this:
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The latter seems much too distorted/displaced from its 'true' position.

Who's with me?

Re: Opposing Seconds with dots

Posted: 28 Apr 2024, 13:13
by tisimst
Completely agree, benwiggy.

Re: Opposing Seconds with dots

Posted: 28 Apr 2024, 14:04
by RMK
Absolutely

Re: Opposing Seconds with dots

Posted: 28 Apr 2024, 14:39
by NeeraWM
*raise hand*

What software creates this by default? Or were you asked to do it?

Re: Opposing Seconds with dots

Posted: 28 Apr 2024, 14:48
by benwiggy
This is, as far as I can tell, Dorico's default. There is a Notation Options for Unisons, but not for seconds.

It's a moment's work to fix it (Swap Voice Order), but it would be great not to have to do it at all.

I realise there are complications with things like F# vs F natural; or G in the lower voice; or if they both had dots, etc.

Speaking of which, this seems to be what Finale does without manual intervention for F# and F nat:
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Re: Opposing Seconds with dots

Posted: 28 Apr 2024, 20:25
by MichelRE
instead of swapping voices why not simply change the voice column index?

Re: Opposing Seconds with dots

Posted: 29 Apr 2024, 07:19
by benwiggy
MichelRE wrote: 28 Apr 2024, 20:25 instead of swapping voices why not simply change the voice column index?
No: I'm not swapping voice CONTENTS, but Voice ORDER, which does indeed swap the voice column index on each note.

Re: Opposing Seconds with dots

Posted: 07 May 2024, 12:56
by OCTO
The first example is the most convenient!

Re: Opposing Seconds with dots

Posted: 07 May 2024, 15:53
by Wescott
Concur with everyone; I'd rather read the first one any day.

Re: Opposing Seconds with dots

Posted: 07 May 2024, 21:41
by benwiggy
I just saw some work done in Sibelius with the same issue: don't know if it's a default.

Finale seems to do this, too,
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which possibly looks like a staccato dot.