NOTATIO

Or here, Ysaye, Sonata No 3:

going by your comment, if I break the beams for the open strings, the notation becomes VERY messy and difficult to follow.

what I got from a video on bariolage by a violin teacher, was that in the bariolage passage the lower string gets down-stem, the upper gets up-stem.

I don't know about it being playable on the piano. I have absolutely no difficulty playing the passage as I've notated it on the piano. I can even muddle my way through it on my viola.

in the Ysaye example, I'm presuming the "melody" is played on the G string (until the B natural, where it switches to the A string)?

MichelRE wrote: ↑06 Feb 2022, 20:39 in the Ysaye example, I'm presuming the "melody" is played on the G string (until the B natural, where it switches to the A string)?

Exactly so.

MichelRE wrote: ↑06 Feb 2022, 20:37 going by your comment, if I break the beams for the open strings, the notation becomes VERY messy and difficult to follow.

That's why I proposed to attach a musx file of these measures in order to manipulate with it easily. Possible?

MichelRE wrote: ↑06 Feb 2022, 20:37 what I got from a video on bariolage by a violin teacher, was that in the bariolage passage the lower string gets down-stem, the upper gets up-stem.

That can also be true IF the bottom string has a particular significance like in this example of Ysaÿe (Solo Sonata No.2 A minor, Movement 1):

coming back to this topic:

almost every (Actually, every!) example I've come across of bariolage has been 8ths or 16th notes. mine is in triplets.

So should all the notes that are open string have their stems in the same direction (ie: opposite to fingered strings?)
it seems to me this will definitely become a very messy section of the viola part with all those single 8th notes up and down stemmed.

Is this a better way to notate my bariolage?

It looks very good to me, Michel.

Interesting...

It is playable, as long as you stay in the D string, but if you wish the A string to be used there will be some jumps that may obscure the bariolage effect. I put a bracket to show where. But, you could also reverse this, playing the stopped note first, then the open and go to A string.
I reproduced your sample, wrote it in 12/8 for simplicity and added the probable fingering a violist would use. Note the bowings, that could produce some unwanted accents, depending on how fast this is to be played.
At the end of this passage, C string is used, not D one.

Cheers,
Felipe Copaja

Felipe, I presume the brackets underneath the staff at measures 1 and 3 indicate that the same string is intended?

Also, the very last beat of the last measure, I see a little"0" over a C... but that can't be an open string.Unless you meant that as the octave harmonic?

Those brackets just show that if the second note is to be played in A string, there would be a string jump from the G string. As written, the second note is played in the D string.
And yes, at the end is the octave harmonic, should be a little circle.

P.S. only after sending the post I saw it was from last year... sorry, you probably are done with this long time ago.