Dorico

[OCTO]

Thanks for the correction, Knut. That d----- Properties Panel! I hate it already, and I haven't even experienced the program yet!

So you have got Dorico, Johan?

[tisimst]

I was a beta tester—focused on SMuFL and non-Bravura fonts.

[John Ruggero]

So you have got Dorico, Johan?

No, I am still waiting for the demo. But I am "experiencing" Dorico second-hand by reading the posts at Steinberg, MM and here. Some of the posts are quite amusing, particularly at Steinberg!

My apologies if my post was confusing or inaccurate, about moving notes horizontally in Sibelius. I don't know the program (although I explored it pretty well in version 2, most of which I've forgotten), but got the impression that the feature was only added in v. 8 from Philip Rothman's blog:

http://www.sibeliusblog.com/news/sibelius-8-2-released/

More and more interesting. Sibelius 8 was released only last year, wasn't it? Perhaps Sibelius users can fill us in on this? It's hard to believe that independent horizontal movement of notes and rests only arrived last year in Sibelius.

OCTO., thanks again for showing me the correct way to quote. It's a lot more fun this way!

[Knut]

I was a beta tester—focused on SMuFL and non-Bravura fonts.

That might partly explain why I didn't make the cut.

[RMK]

My apologies if my post was confusing or inaccurate, about moving notes horizontally in Sibelius. I don't know the program (although I explored it pretty well in version 2, most of which I've forgotten), but got the impression that the feature was only added in v. 8 from Philip Rothman's blog:

http://www.sibeliusblog.com/news/sibelius-8-2-released/

That, I believe is a different situation regarding moving notes to a different beat, which previously was impossible in Sibelius.

What I believe John was referring to was the ability to move individual notes horizontally (but staying in the same rhythmic position) which was always possible.

[John Ruggero]

Recent posts at Steinberg indicate a strong anti-mouse bias in Dorico and an inordinate fear of something called "accidental edits" that seems to influence much of the program, so I don't think that I will need that demo after all.

https://www.steinberg.net/forums/viewto ... 6&t=104167

Come on MM and get your act together, I need you!

[Knut]

John,

Please read my reply here:

https://www.steinberg.net/forums/viewto ... 67#p572268

[John Ruggero]

I did read your reply, Knut. Thanks very much. They tend to ignore me over there.

I certainly understand how efficient keyboard input is for those who compose and edit on laptops etc. and since that may be a majority, it is appropriate that Dorico would orient itself that way. Why it would completely exclude other approaches, if this is indeed the case, is not as clear to me.

Fortunately, Finale is flexible and inclusive, so this program is still the best one for me, especially now that I can now rely on the better defaults that were devised on this forum.

I've also realized that I actually enjoy doing the fine tuning that Dorico is attempting to do automatically. Not only would the program ruin most of my fun, it would purposely make any editing I did do unpleasant!

[John Ruggero]

That, I believe is a different situation regarding moving notes to a different beat, which previously was impossible in Sibelius.

Thanks for the explanation, RMK. Daniel has certainly made up for that this time around!

[OCTO]

I was a beta tester—focused on SMuFL and non-Bravura fonts.

That might partly explain why I didn't make the cut.

I haven't been chosen for the Beta either, despite my several-years correspondence about the future application with Daniel.
I have pretty high needs for my publications and perhaps I was not chosen since I would perhaps be disappointed about the current state.

Contemporary composers are usually not rich (even poor), so am I, and I will invest in buying Dorico once it can meet my needs. So long I will not invest in a rich company such as Steinberg. This "buy Dorico and support them", actually a crowd-funding, is not working for low income composers with small kids. I simply cannot afford giving money to a software that will not be useful for me.